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paulhostettler
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Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

So I was having an issue with grinding noises and layer shifting in my X axis. I disassembled my Mk3 and found that the idler pulley (bearing housing 623h) basically disintegrated as I pulled it out.

I was looking for a cheap, fast replacement part (sorry Prusa store, would prefer to be brand loyal, but don't want to wait weeks and pay $15 shipping for what Amazon can turn around in 24 hours for free)

I went with this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BPKWM9D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
But unfortunately the spool was too big to fit in the X-end-idler.

I have two printers, and it sounds like the idler pulley/bearing housing623h might be failing on the other printer as well, so ordering these parts from the Prusa store wouldn't be the end of the world, but I would prefer to save myself some dollars and some weeks of waiting.

Anyone able to point me in the right direction?

Thanks.

Posted : 06/12/2020 7:35 pm
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

So this is the x-end-idler on the deadlines printer

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:07 pm
Swiss_Cheese
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

Based on the look of that TV tray I'm guessing your in the US, try https://www.mcmaster.com/

they also have cadd models of many of their parts.

https://www.mcmaster.com/pulleys

 

The Filament Whisperer

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:10 pm
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

And here's the x-axis-idler on my newer, operational system:  

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:12 pm
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

The older, black plastic idler has a block that inserts into the x-axis-idler that can adjust the belt tension, while the newe one is open, has no block, and has one stationary pin for the idler pulley insertion >.>

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:14 pm
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@swiss_cheese

My question would be, which one of these is an analog to the Prusa part?

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:15 pm
Swiss_Cheese
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

you'll have to look for yourself on that. I use McMaster often they seem to have everything, you should be able to find out what the pulley type is and then just look it up on McMaster. Prusa has part lists

Bearing housing 623h

$5.64 in the e-shop

The Filament Whisperer

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:18 pm
paulhostettler
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Also the old disintegrated pulley had teeth, while my newer one is smooth >.>

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:25 pm
Swiss_Cheese
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

I'm not sure where your skill level is with regard to mechanical works, but you could just buy the new bearing and put it in the old pulley.

All of these parts are readily available, in pieces or assembled.

The Filament Whisperer

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:28 pm
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

Pulley on the left: too big one I bought on Amazon

 

pulley on the right: pulley that was in my older Prusa that had the interior parts disintegrate out

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:48 pm
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@swiss_cheese

Not comfortable at all >.>

My concern is the older pulley appears smaller than the pulley in my newer Prusa, so even if I buy the Prusa store brand pulley, I'd need to buy a new X-axis-idler set as well >.>

Is it a difference between Mk3 and Mk3s?

Posted : 06/12/2020 8:59 pm
karl-herbert
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@paulhostettler

The pulley usually breaks the bearings. So also at mine. I just bought new bearings and pressed them into the pulley.

https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-mk3-user-mods-octoprint-enclosures-nozzles-.../which-toothed-replacements-for-idlers/

Statt zu klagen, dass wir nicht alles haben, was wir wollen, sollten wir lieber dankbar sein, dass wir nicht alles bekommen, was wir verdienen.

Posted : 07/12/2020 12:56 am
JoanTabb
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@paulhostettler

the pulley on the right looks like a 16 tooth pulley the one on the left looks like a 20 tooth pulley, 
the original picture  seems to be non standard, this is a Prusa X axis Idler end piece with the bearing in place 


there is only one piece of plastic, and one screw with a nylock nut on the back


your setup appears to be non standard and seems to have a belt tensioner built in. 

These MAY work...   I have no experience with your setup... 
https://www.amazon.com/BALITENSEN-Toothed-Pulley-Printer-Timing/dp/B078SD2XGL/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=WINSINN+GT2+Idler+Pulley+16+Teeth+3mm+Bore&qid=1607307416&sr=8-9

regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 07/12/2020 2:18 am
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@joantabb

Thanks for the pointer, I'll give them a try!

 

I went ahead and ordered the x-axis-idler and bearing housing623h from the official store, we'll see if this Amazon bearing can get my limping along until the official goods arrive.

Posted : 07/12/2020 3:38 am
JoanTabb
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@paulhostettler

I doubt the official item will work, as the printer appears to be non standard

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 07/12/2020 7:26 am
paulhostettler
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@joantabb

So those amazon bearings seemed to do the trick, and I reassembled everything. Was able to re-calibrate the XYZ, the wizard failed....

So I went for it, trying to print a test cellphone holder, and I ended up with the print failing due to a wonky base level. Went and reprinted, and this was what I saw:

I figured it might be an SD card issue so I reformatted it, resliced, and ended up with the same issue. My concern is I might not have reassembled properly. What do you guys think?

Posted : 11/12/2020 1:07 am
JoanTabb
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

A picture would help!  🙂

Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 11/12/2020 1:21 am
paulhostettler
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Eep, paste didn't work >.>

Posted : 11/12/2020 1:26 am
JoanTabb
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RE: Trying to find a generic ilder pulley

@paulhostettler

can you post the zipped .3mf file in the files tag at the bottom of a post?

so I can have a look at the model?

Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 11/12/2020 1:45 am
paulhostettler
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I understood all that!

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Posted : 11/12/2020 2:29 am
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