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kbca
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Troubleshooting first layer & bed leveling

Hello everybody. I've bought a mk3s kit and assembled 2 months ago, but only last few days I've found time to play with it and debug. Since then, I've been having some issues on my first layer. It never reaches a similarity as it suggests in the manual. 

If you guys check the picture below, you can see 2 samples of the rectangle pattern that comes in the sd card, already in gcode. The top picture was the first to be printed, using prusament which comes in the package of the printer. After playing around with the screw (mostly tightening) on the extruder in combination with Z leveling adjustment, I could manage to improve a bit the quality, as you can see in the bottom picture. However, if you check the corners, more specificaly the top left from the bottom picture still, you can see a weird pattern. I don't know what else to do to improve it. What are the other things you guys suggest me doing that could improve this? 

Further playing with the printer, I tried the bed leveling pattern provided here on prusa site, as you can see in the pictures below. The square in the middle is the best, and it's way better than the others. Do they seem to be equal in your opinion, in terms of leveling? The only thing that annoys me is not to know what I should do to fix this or that, like "if this happens, it's probably this screw, or over extruding", "if that happens, it's x axis to tightened" or anything like that. I'm now trying out every possibility in the hardware to see if I get some improvement. Any help would be totally welcome. Thank you very much in advance!

Posted : 23/06/2021 10:18 pm
Dan Rogers
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RE: Troubleshooting first layer & bed leveling

It does seem like you have some first layer problems (first set of pics) - I would say your live Z is too high from those shots.

For the leveling patern, it looks pretty good - a few inconsistencies.  have you gone into settings and enabled 7x7 bed mesh leveling?

For first layer - simple to experiment.  Here is my take away after I'm this far into the learning curve:::

Wavy like Water - Z is too close to the bed.

Curlies on the edges or separate strands?  Z is not close enough.

 

Posted : 24/06/2021 4:55 am
bobstro
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RE: Troubleshooting first layer & bed leveling
If you have not already done so, try using Jeff Jordan's "Life Adjust" procedure for calibrating your Live-Z setting. It is much easier to use and understand than the onboard routine and much easier to make mid-print adjustments accurately with. In general, start high (less negative) and work lower (more negative) in large increments (e.g. 0.1mm) until the filament starts to stick on its own. When you've got your Live-Z setting adjusted properly, you should be able to gently rub the extruded lines on the PEI surface without dislodging them.  Then start lowering (more negative) the level until there are no gaps between layers. You should not be able to peel the lines apart after printing, but the top should be regular. 
 
I'd start by raising Live-Z by 0.06mm and moving up slowly in 0.02mm increments until the distortions disappear.
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Posted : 24/06/2021 5:05 am
kbca
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RE: Troubleshooting first layer & bed leveling

Oh guys, thank you so much for the help. I will try all of them after work and post the results. Thank you @dan-rogers for the tips. For the Z leveling, I've done 3 prints with a range of 0.05 mm btw them, this was the best I could get. I did like -1.915, -1.920 and -1.910. If I move it closer to the board than this, I get exactly what you described, wavy like water. If I move farther from the bed, I start to see some very very tiny gaps btw the lines.

@bobstro Thank you for the tips. I'll definitely try this Life Adjust you said. I was looking for something like this indeed. The ones that comes in the sd card from prusa, we have to wait till it prints all the boards and only then go to the rectangle.

I'll post the results later today when I finish working and start playing with the printer. Once again, thank you guys!

Posted : 24/06/2021 8:27 am
bobstro
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RE: Troubleshooting first layer & bed leveling
Posted by: @kbca

[...] @bobstro Thank you for the tips. I'll definitely try this Life Adjust you said. I was looking for something like this indeed. The ones that comes in the sd card from prusa, we have to wait till it prints all the boards and only then go to the rectangle.

Remember, in a pinch, you can always stop a larger print. The Prusa logo sample print can be used as a substitute for the Life Adjust square. Just stop it after the 1st layer has printed.

If you are using a different nozzle or filament type, I've put together some other test prints that can be used the same way to test the full bed.

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and miscellaneous other tech projects
He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking. -- Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan

Posted : 24/06/2021 5:06 pm
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