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scottkildall
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Prints not sticking - next steps?

Hi Everyone,

I'm having the classic prints-not-sticking to the heated bed problems with a new Prusa i3 MK3 and just can't figure out a solution. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated.

Below are some sample prints that show what's going on.

Some details on what I've tried:

* PLA at 60 degrees bed, 215 degrees extruder, this pretty much will never stick on the first layer, using the BH-13 bed that came with the printer

* PLA at 75 degrees, 215 degrees extruder, this often stuck on the first layer, but then the edges will warp and the entire print comes off about 40-60% of the way through

* PETG with powder-coated TF-25, won't stick on the first layer, using recommended settings, bed in 80-100 degrees range, extruder at ~240 degrees

* I bought the printer assembled
* Have successfully run all the calibration routines

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Things I've tried:

- about 40 different test prints, some that came supplied on the SD card, some through Prusa Slicer
- diligent cleaning of PLA bed with isopropyl alcohol, acetone, washing it down completely, in various configurations/orders
- cleaning of PETG bed with Windex

- using the glue stick, as suggested in some of the videos

- Live Z adjustments, though the calibration suggests that 0.0 is fine (see calibration pic)
- Two different brands of PLA, the gray that came with it (Prusa) and a 3rd party one (3D Solutech)

- print at different spots in the bed itself

- print at 75% speed
- cleaned extruder with acupuncture needle

- Printing my sliced prints on a friend's Prusa i3 MK3 printer. Works great.
- Blue tape (on a whim), definitely doesn't stick

Things I've noticed:
- infill seems fine, so I think it's coming out of the extruder correctly, not jammed or anything
- 75-80 degrees is the only thing that will work for initial PLA sticking

Thoughts:

- since neither bed is working and both PLA and PETG are not working, I'm inclined to think it's something other than the bed
- since it is working at 75 degrees with PLA for a bit and not 60 degrees (recommended), this does suggest something is amiss, bit I can't tell exactly what is. The thermal contraction from 75 degrees would explain the curling that happens partially through the print
- The PLA filament from 3D Solutech seems to work better than the gray one from Prusa
- Perhaps the Thermistor is acting up, so I'm going to borrow a friend's IR sensor later today and check the temperature

Thank you,

Scott

Posted : 28/12/2019 10:58 pm
rmm200
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RE: Prints not sticking - next steps?

Well your Z is far too high.

Start with a good Dawn scrub with copious water on both your sheets. Dry with a clean paper towel.

Then read this:

https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-mk3-assembly-and-first-prints-troubleshooting/life-adjust-z-my-way/

Finally post a picture of your Live Z calibration square or circle (I like the circle)./ 

Posted : 29/12/2019 12:24 am
Mike Daneman
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RE: Prints not sticking - next steps?

In addition to what Robert said, I see finger prints in your calibrations picture (which does show that your Z is way too high - the square should look solid),  that indicates that you touched the build plate before printing. You should clean and wipe your sheet with IPA before a print and never touch it again until the print is done. 

Posted : 29/12/2019 5:26 am
scottkildall
(@scottkildall)
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Prints not sticking - next steps?

Thanks Robert and @mdaneman. It was indeed the Z axis that was way too high.

I did about 15 tests with a print of mine before I finally got the right Z dialed in.

Just a note to others that calibrating it on an actual print was how I figured out the exact Z offset to use.

Thanks again! Problem solved.

Posted : 30/12/2019 2:19 am
Mike Daneman
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Estimable Member
RE: Prints not sticking - next steps?

You definitely want to use the square pattern linked by robert. I find the Prusa built in 1st layer cal almost useless. I also made a pattern with 5 squares - one in each corner and one in the center - and that’s what I now use for my 1st layer cal. 

Posted : 30/12/2019 4:04 am
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scottkildall
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Prints not sticking - next steps?

Thanks, will use the test pattern.

Good to know the 1st calibration was pretty much useless for you — I think that's where I was getting stuck with my own diagnostics.

Posted : 30/12/2019 9:16 am
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