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fuchsr
(@fuchsr)
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Yeah but that's nothing new. Pretty sure it has always been that way. 

Posted : 29/07/2021 2:55 pm
Diem
 Diem
(@diem)
Noble Member
No. I don't want a title here and I don't want drop-down menus either.

Oh dear, now we have drop down menus. This is a very bad sign.  It looks like the 'designers' have taken over from the UI engineers.

Drop down menus *are* useful when the list *must* be too big for screen real-estate, otherwise they just piss-off users.

Now, instead of one move and click to navigate to another part of the site it's scan for the menu, move and click, scan for the entry, move and click again: YOU ARE FORCING USERS TO WORK TWICE AS HARD just so the page looks 'nice'.

This site is for techies, we don't give a monkey's cuss for the aesthetics, we want functionality.  I recall Jacob Neilsen's comparitive tests in the late 1990's which clearly demonstrated that style over substance *always* made for a bad site and the unwritten rule was that if any page ever received a 'design' award it must be scrapped and rewritten at once.

Who will this inconvenience the most? The few dozen regular users who find it instructive to analyse others' problems and, in the process of learning, to help them. If you plan to lose this group you had better hire a few more help-desk staff.

So Prusa: Fire the lavender trousered 'designer' who came up with this idiocy and give the job to an overworked engineer with the brief:

Reinstate plain menus. Remove reply titles. Remove the pop-up bell notification widget. Enable .3mf uploading.

It should take less than a day; then divert the engineer to the rest of the site where more lavender-trousered thinking is creeping in.

Cheerio,

Posted : 31/07/2021 2:11 pm
bobstro
(@bobstro)
Illustrious Member
Improvements on mobile

Somebody's paying attention. A lot of mobile issues are being addressed. Images can now be resized in phones. Overall, I'm seeing improvements. They might want to focus on problems before introducing "features" and let things settle down.

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Posted : 31/07/2021 2:44 pm
AnnieR
(@annier)
Estimable Member

What drop down menu?

I'm just glad to be able to work around that stupid title nonsense!

HINT: It'd be nice if you just defaulted it to a blank! You could still let people who wanted a title to enter one and not annoy those who don't!

Posted : 31/07/2021 6:21 pm
Diem
 Diem
(@diem)
Noble Member
RE: New Updates coming to the Prusa Community Forums!

What drop down menu?

So how do you get from here to, say, the Eshop to check you're talking about the right part?

Cheerio,

 

AAAAAAAArgh!  And now it's not posssible to get rid of the reply title in Edit.

Posted : 31/07/2021 7:13 pm
bobstro
(@bobstro)
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RE: 2¢
Posted by: @diem

So how do you get from here to, say, the Eshop to check you're talking about the right part?

It's part of the "responsive" layout. If you size the window to a larger desktop width, the menu expands:

As you reduce the browser width, elements are collapsed (Note to Prusa: This is where the login button is annoyingly hidden).

When you get down to mobile-sized displays, the menu bar turns into a drop down 

This is pretty typical of modern web layouts and it doesn't bother me. I can always select a desktop layout in my browser if it does. Now that they've fixed the list display and login button for mobile, most of the worst layout annoyances have been addressed. I do still have to open the browser very wide for the login button on desktop-sized displays.

The title is a minor annoyance. I don't get why it sticks "Re: " there when editing as it makes no sense.

The bigger annoyance is the breaking of the ability to paste in formatted text. This is a pain in the ass for things like pasting gcode samples. I have to save the post, re-open it in edit mode (with the stupid short timer ticking) and paste the formatted text there.

 

My notes and disclaimers on 3D printing and miscellaneous other tech projects
He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking. -- Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan...
Posted : 31/07/2021 7:29 pm
Baklin
(@baklin)
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Posted by: @diem

What drop down menu?

So how do you get from here to, say, the Eshop to check you're talking about the right part?

Cheerio,

 

AAAAAAAArgh!  And now it's not posssible to get rid of the reply title in Edit.

I don't see drop down menu's. To go to the Eshop I can just click on "Eshop" at the top of the page.

 

Posted : 31/07/2021 7:30 pm
fuchsr
(@fuchsr)
Noble Member

Probably just responsive design -- when the screen shrinks to a certain size the site CSS switches from a menu bar to  dropdown menus. 

Posted : 31/07/2021 7:36 pm
cwbullet
(@cwbullet)
Illustrious Member
Drop down

I wonder if the pull down only works on some browsers.  I have them on my ipad

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Posted : 31/07/2021 8:49 pm
Diem
 Diem
(@diem)
Noble Member

I'm using Firefox on linux and, now that @fuchsr has pointed it out, I find that at full screen it does restore the menu - but I don't want to dedicate a whole screen to the browser, I want to be able to refer to other files without switching screen while responding; besides, at full screen it's hard to read ultralong lines of text.

Cheerio,

Posted : 31/07/2021 10:50 pm
jsw
 jsw
(@jsw)
Noble Member

Looks like the responsive 'break' is just under 1000 pixels horizontal.

Posted : 01/08/2021 1:22 am
bobstro
(@bobstro)
Illustrious Member
Simple fix!

It is possible to prioritize which elements get stacked with responsive frameworks. I hope they simply make the login button a high priority in the middle resolution band.

My notes and disclaimers on 3D printing and miscellaneous other tech projects
He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking. -- Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan...
Posted : 01/08/2021 3:53 am
cwbullet
(@cwbullet)
Illustrious Member
Device specific

 

Posted by: @baklin

 

Posted by: @diem

What drop down menu?

So how do you get from here to, say, the Eshop to check you're talking about the right part?

Cheerio,

 

AAAAAAAArgh!  And now it's not posssible to get rid of the reply title in Edit.

I don't see drop down menu's. To go to the Eshop I can just click on "Eshop" at the top of the page.

 

This page appears differently on some browsers and computers.  It is not always at the top of the page. 

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Posted : 01/08/2021 10:28 am
AnnieR
(@annier)
Estimable Member

I'm almost exclusively mobile. I see a more or less normal header type selection bar when I turn horizontal but a real funky menu when I turn vertical. 

And it would be very nice if you would totally sh*t-can that stupid title nonsense!!!

Posted : 01/08/2021 5:04 pm
jsw
 jsw
(@jsw)
Noble Member

OBTW, it started sending me 'new reply' notifications for my own postings again.

Posted : 02/08/2021 10:45 pm
weust
(@weust)
Active Member
This...

I don't get the point for a title for a reply to a thread.
Never seen this on any other forum.

Posted by: @jsw

More feedback:

I just replied to a posting in a thread with a specific title.

It would not let me post until I supplied a title for that post, which I did and which did not appear in the post after it posted.

Ditto for this post.  It is nagging me to enter a title before it will let me post.

 

Posted : 08/08/2021 2:16 pm
towlerg
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Noble Member
off topic

"I don't get the point for a title for a reply to a thread." Certainly true if a thread never when slightly off-topic. But of course that never happens does it.

Perhaps a reasonable compromise might be if it were made optional.

Posted : 09/08/2021 11:42 am
towlerg
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Noble Member
I should be able to edit my own post right up to the point somebody else posts to that thread.

I should be able to edit my own post right up to the point somebody else posts to that thread.

Posted : 09/08/2021 11:50 am
bobstro
(@bobstro)
Illustrious Member
A limit on editing makes sense, but it should be a reasonable limit
Posted by: @towlerg

I should be able to edit my own post right up to the point somebody else posts to that thread.

I understand why they impose a limit. It's to keep spammers from coming in weeks or months later and editing their posts to include all their crap. But surely a limit of some hours is reasonable. No spammer is going to go to the bother of creating an account and posts, then just come back 10 minutes later to try to sneak something in.

 

My notes and disclaimers on 3D printing and miscellaneous other tech projects
He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking. -- Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan...
Posted : 09/08/2021 1:25 pm
cwbullet
(@cwbullet)
Illustrious Member
Editing

There is another reason.  I run 3 forums and each one has an editing limit to prevent destruction of information.  People tend to edit out things that reduce the value of threads either intentionally or unintentionally.  

Posted by: @bobstro
Posted by: @towlerg

I should be able to edit my own post right up to the point somebody else posts to that thread.

I understand why they impose a limit. It's to keep spammers from coming in weeks or months later and editing their posts to include all their crap. But surely a limit of some hours is reasonable. No spammer is going to go to the bother of creating an account and posts, then just come back 10 minutes later to try to sneak something in.

 

 

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Posted : 09/08/2021 1:59 pm
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